2008 Chicago bears Salary cap..

[OBTheAnimal]

DB54... would you happen to know/have an idea on how much of a hit certain players would be?

Briggs
Berrian
Turner
J. Jones
Lilja
Scott


I'd love to see Briggs locked up... but also recognize we need mucho help in offense. In FA... it would seem to me that the most urgent actions should be a RB and a OG... LT will come in the draft and the other OG position likewise

[soulman]

Originally Posted by OBTheAnimal

DB54... would you happen to know/have an idea on how much of a hit certain players would be?

Briggs
Berrian
Turner
J. Jones
Lilja
Scott


I'd love to see Briggs locked up... but also recognize we need mucho help in offense. In FA... it would seem to me that the most urgent actions should be a RB and a OG... LT will come in the draft and the other OG position likewise

I'll slide a response in here OB. It's hard to say what we might have to pay to get others until we get a little closer and see what the offers are like but you can use this as a rule of thumb.

Signing bonuses can be amortized over 5 years and no more so whatever we pay a guy in upfront guarantees that fall in that category can be divided by the number of years of the deal. A $20 mil SB on a 5 year deal costs us $4 mil against the cap plus salary and other incentives each year.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the top guys will haul down $15 - $20 mil upfront guarantees and $1 mil per year salaries in their first year or two so we're looking at around a $5 mil cap hit for each. Maybe a little less if we can get creative and push some of it into roster or incentives in later years.

If we're $20 mil or so under cap that won't allow us to get more than one or two top echelon guys or resign our own.

I thinks Briggs will be looking for Bob Sanders type $$$ or more and he won't come more cheaply for the home town team. We could be looking at $20 mil plus in guarantees. BB will be worth somewhat less and maybe we can hold him but I doubt it. Forget franchising him, that would run us $7.6 mil plus.

The best bargain may be at RB. With their injury risks it's harder for them to command as much upfront money. We might get a Turner with a $10 - $12 mil SB because he's not a starter but who knows? Until a few guys get offers we won't know just how crazy it will be but I'm sure the GM's all know.

Let's see what 54 has to add to this.

[OBTheAnimal]

Originally Posted by soulman

I'll slide a response in here OB. It's hard to say what we might have to pay to get others until we get a little closer and see what the offers are like but you can use this as a rule of thumb.

Signing bonuses can be amortized over 5 years and no more so whatever we pay a guy in upfront guarantees that fall in that category can be divided by the number of years of the deal. A $20 mil SB on a 5 year deal costs us $4 mil against the cap plus salary and other incentives each year.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the top guys will haul down $15 - $20 mil upfront guarantees and $1 mil per year salaries in their first year or two so we're looking at around a $5 mil cap hit for each. Maybe a little less if we can get creative and push some of it into roster or incentives in later years.

If we're $20 mil or so under cap that won't allow us to get more than one or two top echelon guys or resign our own.

I thinks Briggs will be looking for Bob Sanders type $$$ or more and he won't come more cheaply for the home town team. We could be looking at $20 mil plus in guarantees. BB will be worth somewhat less and maybe we can hold him but I doubt it. Forget franchising him, that would run us $7.6 mil plus.

The best bargain may be at RB. With their injury risks it's harder for them to command as much upfront money. We might get a Turner with a $10 - $12 mil SB because he's not a starter but who knows? Until a few guys get offers we won't know just how crazy it will be but I'm sure the GM's all know.

Let's see what 54 has to add to this.

thx for info soulman


Would it be realistic then to say resign Briggs... and sign J. Jones + Lilja since neither are really top tier players (or would it be possible to nail Turner still in that situation instead of J. Jones?)

[The Benjamin]

as much as Iwant Briggs back, they will more then likely have to way over pay to keep him. They !@#$%^ up relations with him last offseason

[dabears54]

Originally Posted by OBTheAnimal

DB54... would you happen to know/have an idea on how much of a hit certain players would be?

Briggs
Berrian
Turner
J. Jones
Lilja
Scott


I'd love to see Briggs locked up... but also recognize we need mucho help in offense. In FA... it would seem to me that the most urgent actions should be a RB and a OG... LT will come in the draft and the other OG position likewise

I agree would like to see a OG and Ot in F/a but until see at least one deal, hard to put any price on these guys..

Patrick Crayton( same talent as berrian), just got $8 mill Sb $14 mill from dallas,,But berrian wants 2-3X that, so doubt he's back//

Lance will probably get $20 mill Sb and 40 million+, which the bears will not give, so he's gone also..

My gut says for about 3 mill in cap each space we could prob snag 2 of teh 2nd tier lineman if lija,scott,starks etc..

Turner is way out our league, esp with benson contract here for 2008, not taking on another huge rb deal.

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.]

Berrian was good while he was here, but can he do as good or better job somewhere else. If you watched him early in the season, he didn't play as well as expected and probably induced at least two of Grossman's interceptions. I don't see him excelling somewhere else. Granted it is all about the benjamins, but I am confident that the Bears can easily find his replacement, instead of paying $40M plus.

[dabears54]

Negotiations for futures contracts open up

The five-day window teams have to exclusively negotiate with their own players for futures/reserve contracts has ended, meaning the Bears can begin shopping elsewhere. Futures contracts are essentially what teams use to retain the services of players who were on the practice squad whose contracts expire at the end of each season. It's what the players allocated to NFL Europe used to sign before the developmental league went belly up.
The Bears had hoped to sign cornerback Greg Fassitt to such a deal, but he is believed to be checking out what other offers could be available after spending the season on the practice squad. With starting corners Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher recently signing longterm extensions, and with veteran Ricky Manning Jr. and draft picks Trumaine McBride and Corey Graham blocking him, it only makes sense.

Defensive tackle Matt Toeaina and linebacker Nick Roach were two players the Bears targeted from elsewhere and wound up signing off practice squads during the season. Roach was signed away from San Diego in mid-November, arriving in time to receive an accrued season toward free agency.
Roach stood out in the final three games on special teams and is expected to take a prominent role next season if he doesn't battle for the weak-side linebacker spot with Lance Briggs expected to leave in free agency. He's intelligent and he uses his hands well to shed blocks and could push Jamar Williams with a strong spring.
Toeaina wasted no time getting acclimated as he played in the final three games, getting action at Minnesota Dec. 17 just days after coming over from Cincinnati.
The Bears have already signed guards Matt Jones and Tyler Reed, safety Leonard Peters and running back P.J. Pope to futures deals.

[JD67]

Originally Posted by dabears54

Negotiations for futures contracts open up

The five-day window teams have to exclusively negotiate with their own players for futures/reserve contracts has ended, meaning the Bears can begin shopping elsewhere. Futures contracts are essentially what teams use to retain the services of players who were on the practice squad whose contracts expire at the end of each season. It's what the players allocated to NFL Europe used to sign before the developmental league went belly up.
The Bears had hoped to sign cornerback Greg Fassitt to such a deal, but he is believed to be checking out what other offers could be available after spending the season on the practice squad. With starting corners Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher recently signing longterm extensions, and with veteran Ricky Manning Jr. and draft picks Trumaine McBride and Corey Graham blocking him, it only makes sense.

Defensive tackle Matt Toeaina and linebacker Nick Roach were two players the Bears targeted from elsewhere and wound up signing off practice squads during the season. Roach was signed away from San Diego in mid-November, arriving in time to receive an accrued season toward free agency.
Roach stood out in the final three games on special teams and is expected to take a prominent role next season if he doesn't battle for the weak-side linebacker spot with Lance Briggs expected to leave in free agency. He's intelligent and he uses his hands well to shed blocks and could push Jamar Williams with a strong spring.
Toeaina wasted no time getting acclimated as he played in the final three games, getting action at Minnesota Dec. 17 just days after coming over from Cincinnati.
The Bears have already signed guards Matt Jones and Tyler Reed, safety Leonard Peters and running back P.J. Pope to futures deals.

Hey DB54 - Remember the promotion of Brandon Rideau from the PS to active squad before the final game? We spoke of Bears getting him a good paycheck, but also there was motivation to do so from a contract status standpoint...with him on the active squad, he wasn't subject to the futures contract situation. Therefore, he will be back next season without any further wranglings in the offseason.

[dabears54]

Originally Posted by JD67

Hey DB54 - Remember the promotion of Brandon Rideau from the PS to active squad before the final game? We spoke of Bears getting him a good paycheck, but also there was motivation to do so from a contract status standpoint...with him on the active squad, he wasn't subject to the futures contract situation. Therefore, he will be back next season without any further wranglings in the offseason.

good point JD.. yep this was something until today had not really thought about

[MadMack]

Bears | Team has more than $20 million in salary cap space
Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:15:05 -0800

Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Chicago Bears have more than $20 million in available salary cap space for this offseason.

[last irish hero]

Cut Archuleta and Benson. Then Spend, Spend and Spend some more!!!!!!

[soulman]

Originally Posted by last irish hero

Cut Archuleta and Benson. Then Spend, Spend and Spend some more!!!!!!

The trouble is that cutting those two would actually cost the team over $5 mil in unamortized signing bonuses. That alone takes a big chunk out of the cap excess. Personally, I think were stuck we're stuck with Benson for the moment.

What's more likely is that we sign or draft another RB and unless Benson can beat him out or unseat AP or Wolfe it's very likely we'll trade him or cut him after training camp and at least get to spread his cap hit out over two seasons.

If I were Angelo I'd make Archuleta a vet I'd designate as a June 1st cut once FA starts. Invoking that rule allows us to cut him now but treat it as if we did it on June 1st. That allow us to spread the $2 mil mil cap hit we have to take for the remainder of his SB over two seasons.

Archuleta is toast and we've got cheaper and better talent that can step and play safety. I can live with a $280K cap hit this year (the hit for the SB less his $730K salary) and $1 mil of dead cap space next year just to end this painful experiment and see his sorry ass gone.

[OBTheAnimal]

Originally Posted by soulman

The trouble is that cutting those two would actually cost the team over $5 mil in unamortized signing bonuses. That alone takes a big chunk out of the cap excess. Personally, I think were stuck we're stuck with Benson for the moment.

What's more likely is that we sign or draft another RB and unless Benson can beat him out or unseat AP or Wolfe it's very likely we'll trade him or cut him after training camp and at least get to spread his cap hit out over two seasons.

If I were Angelo I'd make Archuleta a vet I'd designate as a June 1st cut once FA starts. Invoking that rule allows us to cut him now but treat it as if we did it on June 1st. That allow us to spread the $2 mil mil cap hit we have to take for the remainder of his SB over two seasons.

Archuleta is toast and we've got cheaper and better talent that can step and play safety. I can live with a $280K cap hit this year (the hit for the SB less his $730K salary) and $1 mil of dead cap space next year just to end this painful experiment and see his sorry ass gone.

Great idea to dump that loser Benson soulman... I seriously can't stand that tool



W/regards to AA... do you think it might be wiser to leave him on the roster as a STs guy? I know its a roster spot... but he does deliver some nice shots... curious on your feelings in this re.

[soulman]

Originally Posted by OBTheAnimal

Great idea to dump that loser Benson soulman... I seriously can't stand that tool



W/regards to AA... do you think it might be wiser to leave him on the roster as a STs guy? I know its a roster spot... but he does deliver some nice shots... curious on your feelings in this re.

Who know that they'll do but $730K is a lot of money to pay a ST player. The guy screwed us out of a big upfront guarantee just like he did the Skins and then dogged it. Personally I can't stand seeing his sorry ass on the field period OB.

[OBTheAnimal]

soulman -

LMAO, fair enough